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#29287: "Nyx vs Chaos"

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3 Dec 2020 17:30 • Crisfole • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:

No extra info

3 Dec 2020 23:10 • quietmint • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:

I didn't review this yet, but just FYI, the order is implemented as: your power, then opponent's power. So the behavior will vary depending on which player's turn it is...

4 Dec 2020 14:07 • gretirse • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:

was'nt there a discussion about Nyx with mlvanbie on Discord? I think he said that the power was going to be slightly modified to happen at the start of all turns with highest priority, to deal with this kind of issues and with Dionysus-like powers.

4 Dec 2020 14:24 • quietmint • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:

Yes, I think I asked about this on Discord #rules some months ago because the official rules don't specify anything about timing. I remember my conclusion was that the BGA implementation was not going to change.

But I will research that discussion. Maybe we were supposed to ban this combination of powers?

5 Dec 2020 14:25 • quietmint • Problém bol potvrdený programátormi:

Yes, this issue relates to the timing of powers. With no official rules about timing, I stand by our implementation in BGA (you first, opponent second) as perfectly reasonable and logical. That is the simplest and most intuitive interpretation I can think of, and it is how I would resolve any timing question that came up during play in real life. With multiple "start of turn" or "end of turn" powers in play, then, the order of operations is predictable but depending on the active player. For Nyx vs. Chaos:
* If Chaos builds the dome, Chaos + Nyx both do "end of turn"
* If Nyx builds the dome, only Nyx does "end of turn" and Chaos power gets removed before he can.

Technically there is no bug here. I do agree this behavior may be confusing and doesn't appear to be fair, so I will ban the combination Nyx vs. Chaos on BGA.

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The Discord discussion is at discord.com/channels/523195652654497802/523214198680059926/753755555209674752. I'm still am not satisfied with mlvanbie's responses. He seems nonchalant, sort of inventing various different rules about the timing of powers as different questions arose. In future Santorini Pantheon edition, he mentions Nyx will be changed to "start of turn". If we applied that change to BGA implementation, we would "fix" Nyx vs. Chaos but we would cause the same problem for Nyx vs. Circe, Hypnus, Morpheus (who already have "start of turn" powers).

5 Dec 2020 18:07 • quietmint • Problém bol opravený:

Version 201205-1904: Banned Nyx vs. Chaos

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