#37708: "Hecate vs heroes"
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Ak je to tak, prosím HLASUJTE za toto hlásenie. Hlásenia s najviac hlasmi majú PRIORITU!
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• Prosím skopíruj a vlož chybové hlásenie, ktoré si videl na obrazovke, ak sa nejaké vyskytlo.
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• Prosím vysvetli, čo si chcel/a spraviť, čo si spravil/a a čo sa stalo
31 and 48
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Skopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtine namiesto tvojho jazyka. Ak máš snímku obrazovky s touto chybou (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť ľubovoľnú službu na zdieľanie obrázkov (napríklad snipboard.io), nahrať ho tam a odkaz sem skopírovať/vložiť. Je tento text dostupný v prekladovom systéme? Ak áno, bol preložený po dlhšie ako 24 hodín?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Prosím presne a stručne vysvetli svoj podnet, aby bolo čo najjednoduchšie pochopiť, ako to myslíš.
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Čo sa objavilo na obrazovke, keď si bol zablokovaný (Prázdna obrazovka? Časť herného rozhrania? Chybové hlásenie?)?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Ktorá časť pravidiel nebola dodržaná v BGA adaptácii?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• Je možné vidieť porušenie pravidiel na zázname z hry? Ak áno, aké je číslo ťahu?
31 and 48
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Aký herný ťah si chcel urobiť?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• Čo si skúsil aby si vyvolal túto akciu?
31 and 48
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• Čo sa stalo keď si spravil túto hernú akciu (chybové hlásenie, hlásenie v stavovom pruhu, ...)?
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Kedy v priebehu hry sa problém vyskytol (aká bola prebiehajúca herná inštrukcia)?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• Čo sa stalo keď si spravil túto hernú akciu (chybové hlásenie, hlásenie v stavovom pruhu, ...)?
31 and 48
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Prosím popíš viditeľný problém. Ak máš snímku obrazovky s touto chybou (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť ľubovoľnú službu na zdieľanie obrázkov (napríklad snipboard.io), nahrať ho tam a odkaz sem skopírovať/vložiť.
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Skopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtine namiesto tvojho jazyka. Ak máš snímku obrazovky s touto chybou (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť ľubovoľnú službu na zdieľanie obrázkov (napríklad snipboard.io), nahrať ho tam a odkaz sem skopírovať/vložiť. Je tento text dostupný v prekladovom systéme? Ak áno, bol preložený po dlhšie ako 24 hodín?
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
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• Prosím presne a stručne vysvetli svoj podnet, aby bolo čo najjednoduchšie pochopiť, ako to myslíš.
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Google Chrome v89
História hlásenia
In cases where the interaction of two powers is too complex for us to code -or- if the interaction is causing confusion for BGA players -or- if we determine the interaction is very unfair, we will add more bans.
Some examples:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=21093 - too difficult to code
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=29287 - confusing
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=33571 - unfair
I think the official rules don't include *any* bans between normal gods and heroes, because they don't expect you to mix them in the same game (that's for expert players only). For example, the official rules do not ban Circe vs heroes, but this is clearly unfair and must be banned.
Also, the "How to play" page now lists the banned matchups for each power: en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Gamehelpsantorini
For Hecate vs Heroes, I think this can be fixed and am happy to help to reduce Hecate's ban list.
It is still my view that the treatment of hero powers vs God powers is incomplete at best, but mostly they did not consider these interactions at all. Remember, the official rules do not ban Clio vs. any heroes, but they should (it is not fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and discard it... nor is it fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and return it).
The situation with Hecate vs. heroes is the same. There's no fair way to resolve the problem of a partially-cancelled hero turn. Imagine a one-time power related to moving, where the hero's movement is valid but the building is not. It's not fair to cancel only the build portion of the turn and still discard the one-time power about movement (you wouldn't have wasted the one-time ability if you couldn't do the whole turn). Nor is it fair to let them keep the one-time power (since technically it was used). Nor is it fair to just cancel the entire turn. There's no good way to resolve this interaction. The rules here are completely broken. It should reman banned to remain fair.
I must disagree with you. I think Hecate vs Heroes should not be banned. The heroes can still use their power as in a normal game and if well used, it could be very difficult for Hecate to counter (for example, Bellerophon is a clear example of a hero that would be very strong against Hecate). The thing is, as an hero you have to make sure you use your power well. If you suspect Hecate might interrupt your turn, then just don't use your power at all and save it for later. I understand that implementing Hecate vs Heroes could lead to some changes (and that would be perfectly understandable)... But I wouldn't mind to play with an hero against Hecate, I wouldn't feel like I was in disadvantage.
Pridať niečo k tomuto hláseniu
- Iné ID stola / ID ťahu
- Vyriešil sa problém pomocou F5?
- Objavil sa problém viackrát? Zakaždým? Náhodne?
- Ak máš snímku obrazovky s touto chybou (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť ľubovoľnú službu na zdieľanie obrázkov (napríklad snipboard.io), nahrať ho tam a odkaz sem skopírovať/vložiť.
