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#124663: "The +1 power doesn't work the way it should."
#124663: "The +1 power doesn't work the way it should."
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Čo sa stalo? Prosím vyber z nasledujúcich
Rozhranie ma zablokovalo pred ťahom dovoleným v pravidlách
Čo sa stalo? Prosím vyber z nasledujúcich
Rozhranie ma zablokovalo pred ťahom dovoleným v pravidlách
Prosím skontroluj, či už existuje hlásenie na rovnakú tému
Ak je to tak, prosím HLASUJTE za toto hlásenie. Hlásenia s najviac hlasmi majú PRIORITU!
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Podrobný popis
• Prosím skopíruj a vlož chybové hlásenie, ktoré si videl na obrazovke, ak sa nejaké vyskytlo.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Prosím vysvetli, čo si chcel/a spraviť, čo si spravil/a a čo sa stalo
Used the +1 power.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Skopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtine namiesto tvojho jazyka. Ak máš screenshot (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť Imgur.com na jeho nahranie a skopírovať sem odkaz na neho.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Je tento text dostupný v prekladovom systéme? Ak áno, bol preložený po dlhšie ako 24 hodín?
Used the +1 power.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Prosím presne a stručne vysvetli svoj podnet, aby bolo čo najjednoduchšie pochopiť, ako to myslíš.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Čo sa objavilo na obrazovke, keď si bol zablokovaný (Prázdna obrazovka? Časť herného rozhrania? Chybové hlásenie?)?
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Ktorá časť pravidiel nebola dodržaná v BGA adaptácii?
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Je možné vidieť porušenie pravidiel na zázname z hry? Ak áno, aké je číslo ťahu?
Used the +1 power.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Aký herný ťah si chcel urobiť?
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Čo si skúsil aby si vyvolal túto akciu?
Used the +1 power.• Čo sa stalo keď si spravil túto hernú akciu (chybové hlásenie, hlásenie v stavovom pruhu, ...)?
No error message.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Kedy v priebehu hry sa problém vyskytol (aká bola prebiehajúca herná inštrukcia)?
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Čo sa stalo keď si spravil túto hernú akciu (chybové hlásenie, hlásenie v stavovom pruhu, ...)?
Used the +1 power.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Prosím popíš viditeľný problém. Ak máš screenshot (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť Imgur.com na jeho nahranie a skopírovať sem odkaz na neho.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Skopíruj/vlož text zobrazený v angličtine namiesto tvojho jazyka. Ak máš screenshot (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť Imgur.com na jeho nahranie a skopírovať sem odkaz na neho.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Je tento text dostupný v prekladovom systéme? Ak áno, bol preložený po dlhšie ako 24 hodín?
Used the +1 power.• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
• Prosím presne a stručne vysvetli svoj podnet, aby bolo čo najjednoduchšie pochopiť, ako to myslíš.
On table 515773412, turn 75.
With the following cards :
- Unique
- Higher
- 7 to 9
- Odd
With a 6 and 7 in my hands.
The game has the option "Ensure valid plays" active.
With my 6 and 7, i can play on Unique and Odd.
I wanted to play the +1 power to treat my unplayed tile 1 higher than the printed value.
So i wanted to treat my 6 like a 7, so i have double 7 in hands, so i can't play anwhere, so i have to play on the black card The Hours.
After playing the +1 power, the game doesn't refresh valid plays, so I can still play on Unique and Odd, that's the bug.
This power does not seem to work with the option Ensure valid plays.
Here is on the official website a FAQ for this power (search Shadows, or +1)
www.meromorphgames.com/shipwreck-arcana/powers• Aký prehliadač používaš?
Mozilla 125
História hlásenia
22 máj 2024 17:53 • somonflex • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
F5 doesn't fix the problem.
22 máj 2024 18:10 • somonflex • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
I think that, after activating the power, you should be able to choose the tile on which you want to apply the +1, then play the other tile on a card.
22 máj 2024 20:11 • Oberstille • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
Hm: I may be reading the rules and Meormorph's FAQ differently than you are. In particular, I'm looking at the second question for "The Hours":
Q: What if I can't play anywhere except The Hours, but using a power (such as Shadows) would let me play elsewhere?
A: In this case, you may either:
- Not use the power, and play on The Hours.
- Use the power, and play elsewhere.
You are not required to use the power and play elsewhere. But if you do use the power and now can play elsewhere, you must play elsewhere.
This situation works in reverse, as well. If you currently can play elsewhere, but using a power (such as Shadows) would make it impossible for you to play anywhere except The Hours, you may either:
- Not use the power, and play elsewhere.
- Use the power, and play on The Hours.
But here, after you use Shadows ("+1"), you still have a valid play; you can put the 6 on The Rider ("Unique"), which makes the unplayed 7 become an 8 for the rest of the turn. The way that I read that FAQ entry, the game is correct not to let you play on The Hours in that situation.
On the UI front, what you're suggesting is actually how I was initially thinking of implementing Shadows. However, that would create some tricky situations, similar to the ones that the last FAQ entry for Shadows discusses ("Q: How does Shadows interact with cards like Dawn or The Noble? A: When you use Shadows, you increment the value of whichever fate you don’t play. This can lead to some tricky scenarios! Let’s walk through a few of them. [...]").
For example, what would happen if you had two fates, A and B, and you explicitly chose to apply the +1 power to A, and that left you unable to play anywhere except The Hours? We'd need to ensure that, if playing Shadows on B would let you play somewhere other than The Hours, we prevented you from playing on The Hours and let you switch to the other token.
Instead, the way the game works is a lot more similar to what that FAQ describes---the token you don't play does not get the +1 effect until you play the other one! When you have the Shadows power active, instead of asking "Would either of fates A and B be valid on this card?", the game asks "If I had fates A and B+1, would fate A be a valid play? If I had fates A+1 and B, would B be a valid play?"
Does that make sense? Am I understanding what you said correctly?
Q: What if I can't play anywhere except The Hours, but using a power (such as Shadows) would let me play elsewhere?
A: In this case, you may either:
- Not use the power, and play on The Hours.
- Use the power, and play elsewhere.
You are not required to use the power and play elsewhere. But if you do use the power and now can play elsewhere, you must play elsewhere.
This situation works in reverse, as well. If you currently can play elsewhere, but using a power (such as Shadows) would make it impossible for you to play anywhere except The Hours, you may either:
- Not use the power, and play elsewhere.
- Use the power, and play on The Hours.
But here, after you use Shadows ("+1"), you still have a valid play; you can put the 6 on The Rider ("Unique"), which makes the unplayed 7 become an 8 for the rest of the turn. The way that I read that FAQ entry, the game is correct not to let you play on The Hours in that situation.
On the UI front, what you're suggesting is actually how I was initially thinking of implementing Shadows. However, that would create some tricky situations, similar to the ones that the last FAQ entry for Shadows discusses ("Q: How does Shadows interact with cards like Dawn or The Noble? A: When you use Shadows, you increment the value of whichever fate you don’t play. This can lead to some tricky scenarios! Let’s walk through a few of them. [...]").
For example, what would happen if you had two fates, A and B, and you explicitly chose to apply the +1 power to A, and that left you unable to play anywhere except The Hours? We'd need to ensure that, if playing Shadows on B would let you play somewhere other than The Hours, we prevented you from playing on The Hours and let you switch to the other token.
Instead, the way the game works is a lot more similar to what that FAQ describes---the token you don't play does not get the +1 effect until you play the other one! When you have the Shadows power active, instead of asking "Would either of fates A and B be valid on this card?", the game asks "If I had fates A and B+1, would fate A be a valid play? If I had fates A+1 and B, would B be a valid play?"
Does that make sense? Am I understanding what you said correctly?
23 máj 2024 9:49 • somonflex • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
Before using the +1, i can play on Unique and Odd, it's ok.
After using the +1, i still can play on Unique and Odd.
For Unique, it works if you "force" the +1 on the 7, but then we have no choice, it greatly limits the usefulness of the power.
For Odd, it doesn't make any difference if you give the +1 to any tile, the result is NOT odd, I shouldn't be able to play this card.
After using the +1, i still can play on Unique and Odd.
For Unique, it works if you "force" the +1 on the 7, but then we have no choice, it greatly limits the usefulness of the power.
For Odd, it doesn't make any difference if you give the +1 to any tile, the result is NOT odd, I shouldn't be able to play this card.
24 máj 2024 16:25 • Oberstille • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
I went and took a closer look at your replay, and I saw what you were originally talking about. It turns out that there is a bug specific to The Stranger ("Odd") that is causing it to ignore the effects of Shadows ("+1") for the purposes of determining which fates can be played.
If we imagine that that bug has been fixed (and it has been; the fix will be included in my next release) I think that the game is correct that in showing that playing a 6 on The Rider ("Unique") is your only valid play.
You had a 6 and 7 in hand, and there were a 1 and 2 in play. If you play your 6 on The Rider, the 7 in your hand becomes an 8, and that satisfies the uniqueness rule; but if you play the 7, the 6 in your hand becomes a 7, and that then the uniqueness rule is no longer satisfied.
What I was trying to explain in my previous comment is that, if I'm reading the rules correctly (in particular the FAQ entry on Shadows), you can't pick which fate you want the +1 power to apply to in advance in order to create a situation where you can play one fate on The Hours, if you could play the other fate on another card. My reading is that Shadows *always* applies to whichever you don't play.
Does that make more sense? Maybe I'll create a post on BGG and see if we can get one of the designers to weigh in.
If we imagine that that bug has been fixed (and it has been; the fix will be included in my next release) I think that the game is correct that in showing that playing a 6 on The Rider ("Unique") is your only valid play.
You had a 6 and 7 in hand, and there were a 1 and 2 in play. If you play your 6 on The Rider, the 7 in your hand becomes an 8, and that satisfies the uniqueness rule; but if you play the 7, the 6 in your hand becomes a 7, and that then the uniqueness rule is no longer satisfied.
What I was trying to explain in my previous comment is that, if I'm reading the rules correctly (in particular the FAQ entry on Shadows), you can't pick which fate you want the +1 power to apply to in advance in order to create a situation where you can play one fate on The Hours, if you could play the other fate on another card. My reading is that Shadows *always* applies to whichever you don't play.
Does that make more sense? Maybe I'll create a post on BGG and see if we can get one of the designers to weigh in.
29 máj 2024 14:50 • somonflex • Problém zatiaľ nebol zopakovaný programátormi:
The FAQ say the active player use the +1 power THEN they choose the fate they will not play this turn and mentally add 1 to its value THEN they play their other fate as though their hidden fate has the adjusted value.
So the order is :
1) power is activated
2) choose the tile that will gain the +1
3) Play the other tile on a card.
If we respect this order, it should be possible to play on The Hours with this power.
So the order is :
1) power is activated
2) choose the tile that will gain the +1
3) Play the other tile on a card.
If we respect this order, it should be possible to play on The Hours with this power.
31 máj 2024 15:51 • Oberstille • Toto nie je chyba:
I recently got a response from one of the designers about this (in this BGG thread: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3306166) and I still think that my interpretation is correct and matches his, so I'm going to mark this "notabug", but I'll keep an eye on that thread and if the designer comes back and tells me I'm wrong, we'll change this!
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- Iné ID stola / ID ťahu
- Vyriešil sa problém pomocou F5?
- Objavil sa problém viackrát? Zakaždým? Náhodne?
- Ak máš screenshot (dobrý zvyk), môžeš použiť Imgur.com na jeho nahranie a skopírovať sem odkaz na neho.
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